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Tatile · Jan 17, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by Etta

lol who's that guy s'pose to be anyway? That chicken guy from family guy?

It's a Pikachu costume. I don't think Family Guy's that big in Japan.

poobert · Jan 17, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

FMA is aimed at children? FMA lacks depth? Hah and this comes from someone who think Elfen Lied is depth.

Never watched Elfen Lied, but FMA has about the same depth as a goldpan. Most anime attempt to explore some kind of idea at more than just a passing level, so relatively FMA is not so involved.

It all really depends what you are judging it against. Personally I compare things with Evangelion. Back when that came out it really got me in to psychoanalysis, and now that I know so much more about the topic, the series still suprises me sometimes.

I should give this elfin lied a try. Lots of yous seem to like it.

ac1inferno · Jan 17, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

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Elfen Lied was one of ADV Film's bestselling and most notorious releases of 2005.

Unfortunately, popularity does not always equate with quality.

The same can be said for Full Metal Alchemist. Also it's not my stated opinion, it's an official statement from ADV Films. (Solomon, Charles. "Mean Girls", New York Times, July 17, 2005. ADV Films (September 28, 2005). "Great Reason To Give Thanks With Nine New Releases November 15th". Press release.)

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

I would not call it bold - it was just grotesque violence.

I guess our choice of words are different then.

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

It sounds like some of the important features of a good anime for you are radicalness, boldness, and daringness. To me, a good story and complex characters are the most important. A good director leaves the most graphic material to the imagination, and such more tasteful treatment of the subject gives a much greater impression to the viewer. Those who don't have enough talent, throw controversial themes along with extreme graphic violence and nudity into a package that sells well.

It makes the difference of a generic anime series or not. The difference of having scenes that the director wanted, and scenes that are in to please viewers. A good anime series should make you feel uncomfortable, provoke thoughts, and make you think. An anime series will never be good if the director is too afraid and unwilling to step pass a few boundaries.

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

Looks like you missed some of the more latent issues in the series. Perhaps, you might have missed other elements that were written between the lines.

The only form of racism and genocide I can think of is a small mention that Scar's people were killed and that he is one of the last few survivors. I didn't think that would actually count since it's a minor background info on a character and had very little to do with the actual plot, but if you say so...
If I'm missing anything else that you would like to point out, please feel free to do so.

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Ability to read such themes is related to enjoyment one gains from observing any work of art.

Ability to tolerate graphic violence and nudity can help also.

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

P.S. It is considered a good practice to cite your sources. If you pull content straight out of wiki article on Elfen Lied, you might want to give it credit - otherwise it is called plagiarism...

I didn't think it was necessary, but I will do so in the future.

Celestial_Kitsune · Jan 17, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

It makes the difference of a generic anime series or not. The difference of having scenes that the director wanted, and scenes that are in to please viewers. A good anime series should make you feel uncomfortable, provoke thoughts, and make you think. An anime series will never be good if the director is too afraid and unwilling to step pass a few boundaries.

Unfortunately, many anime include superficial "scenes that are in to please the viewers" to improve sales, and we all know that violence and nudity sell well. An anime series will never be good if a director is relying too much on such visuals.

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Ability to tolerate graphic violence and nudity can help also.

Some graphic violence and nudity is acceptable, but extreme cases are appalling.

ac1inferno · Jan 18, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

Unfortunately, many anime include superficial "scenes that are in to please the viewers" to improve sales, and we all know that violence and nudity sell well. An anime series will never be good if a director is relying too much on such visuals.

The thing with violence and nudity is that not everyone likes them, and clearly you don't. I believe that those scenes are in because the director had wanted them in, not so that he can please viewers. If he had wanted to please viewers, he would not have those scenes in at all so that no one would complain.

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

Some graphic violence and nudity is acceptable, but extreme cases are appalling.

Can't really argue with this since each person have their own opinion.

Celestial_Kitsune · Jan 18, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

The thing with violence and nudity is that not everyone likes them, and clearly you don't. I believe that those scenes are in because the director had wanted them in, not so that he can please viewers. If he had wanted to please viewers, he would not have those scenes in at all so that no one would complain.

Oh yes, people really knew what they were doing, and they clearly know how to make money. Not only did they depict the extreme gratuitous violence, they glorified it also with limbs flying in the air in slow motion...

AW Lore · Jan 18, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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A good anime series should make you feel uncomfortable, provoke thoughts, and make you think. An anime series will never be good if the director is too afraid and unwilling to step pass a few boundaries.

thats your thought of what a "good anime series" should be, others have other thoughts of what a "good anime series" should be, and you shouldnt be trying to convert those who do not enjoy or like the style you like.

if we enjoy mainstream anime, let us be, we are not in any way, shape or form interrupting you from watching the anime you like, so please stop telling us what kind of anime we should be watching..

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Can't really argue with this since each person have their own opinion.

and with that, i would preffer this thread going back to "i like these animes shows:...." and "i liked this and this from this show".

ac1inferno · Jan 18, 2008, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

Oh yes, people really knew what they were doing, and they clearly know how to make money. Not only did they depict the extreme gratuitous violence, they glorified it also with limbs flying in the air in slow motion...

What I'm trying to say is that the director would not have the graphic violence and nudity if his aim was to please everyone. He had it in because they wanted it in. If his aim was to make money, those scenes would be edited out so that no one would become upset by them and no one would complain. There would be more viewers if those scenes aren't in rather than if they were, so it can't be said that they were to make money.

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thats your thought of what a "good anime series" should be, others have other thoughts of what a "good anime series" should be, and you shouldnt be trying to convert those who do not enjoy or like the style you like.

OP asked what anime we liked. So I stated my opinions. It can be ignored if you don't like it.

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

if we enjoy mainstream anime, let us be, we are not in any way, shape or form interrupting you from watching the anime you like, so please stop telling us what kind of anime we should be watching..

I am simply stating my advise for the OP. Others who don't like it can ignore it.

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

and with that, i would preffer this thread going back to "i like these animes shows:...." and "i liked this and this from this show".

It would stay that way if the things I've said that made people upset were to be ignored instead of starting an argument.

Taurucis · Jan 18, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

So, anyone else like the anime Strawberry Panic? :P

Or, has anyone else even heard of it? :P

Celestial_Kitsune · Jan 18, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

What I'm trying to say is that the director would not have the graphic violence and nudity if his aim was to please everyone. He had it in because they wanted it in. If his aim was to make money, those scenes would be edited out so that no one would become upset by them and no one would complain. There would be more viewers if those scenes aren't in rather than if they were, so it can't be said that they were to make money.

Of course the aim was not to please everyone - only specific wide audience that is the largest consumer of such works.

ac1inferno · Jan 18, 2008, 03:55 AM // 03:55

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

Of course the aim was not to please everyone - only specific wide audience that is the largest consumer of such works.

Due to the graphic violence and nudity, Elfen Lied is rated M. If it did not have those, it would appeal to a wider audience (more viewers, more money). Meaning, the director's aim for those scenes were not for the reason of making money.

I think this needs to be dropped now since it has gone on long enough. This discussion is no longer between the two of us and we are annoying other people such as AW Lore.

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and with that, i would preffer this thread going back to "i like these animes shows:...." and "i liked this and this from this show".

Let us respect his/her wishes.

StueyG · Jan 19, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40

It's always funny reading through these threads.. someone always has to leave their own biased opinions about something and then expect people to not get offended. I think the OP from the first just wanted a positive thread about what you liked, not to bash what others like.

I still watch Saturday morning cartoons myself - zomg lyke whut a tard! You still watch Tom and Jerry? You have no depth and meaning.

And I like Bleach and others as well. I am not a huge anime fan but watch a few here and there and have seen plenty of the "deep" ones and most of the time get bored.... but to each his own. Some people like them and that's cool.

ensoriki · Jan 19, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Anime is alright and all

But they're light years behind The Flinstones,Jetsons,Yogi Bear,Huckelberry hound and far from Bugs Bunny >.>

That said.

If an anime is bland and gives no thought I don't like it.
Some of these shows like to try and cover up their flaws by having a brief moment of intelligence, to make up for the immense stupidity in it.

Now That also said, there are exceptions.
Naruto and Bleach aren't exactly thought worthy but they are okay.
Also goes for Negima and Love Hina.

Inuyasha is a bad anime.

Tatile · Jan 19, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

Anime? Old school American? What do you get when they're put together?

From baka-images.com, in case you want the reference

In a contest between watching Bleach or Pinky and the Brain, it'd be Pinky and the Brain everytime for me. Unless it's a Hollow Ichigo fight, in which case it's a very tough descision.

HayesA · Jan 19, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Some of my favorites; Most I own, some I... "rent"

Evangelion
.Hack//Sign
Gundam Wing (One of the first animes I have ever liked, and continue to like. For obvious reasons.)
Gundam Seed; Seed: Destiny (Fantastic story lines, and charactor develupments.)
FLCL (Because it makes fun of anime.

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Cowboy Bebop
Gunsmith Cats (The Manga is exceptional, while the anime is so-so. It could have been drawn/animated better. But oh well.)
Sailor Moon (Re-watching SM;Super right now, actually. My fave season.)
Ghost in the Shell
Gankutsuou (Really good anime. Especially well drawn, and animated.)
Outlaw Star
I few others not really worth mentioning because they're really not that good.

ensoriki · Jan 19, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Tatile

In a contest between watching Bleach or Pinky and the Brain, it'd be Pinky and the Brain everytime for me. Unless it's a Hollow Ichigo fight, in which case it's a very tough descision.

Hollow ichigo does indeed cause stalemates T_T.

and nice pic btw...made me grin

DreamRunner · Jan 19, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

A valid argument or defense would be an explanation as to why Full Metal Alchemist has depth or as to why Elfen Lied lacks depth, not name calling.

Oh c'mon, are you that sensitive? Well, how about that FMA has many elements and explores all of its elements with a lot of time and effort? FMA doesn't have a cliché and unrealistic characterization, as well as the failure to devote enough time to each of the genres it covers or even meld them together.

ensoriki · Jan 19, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

FMA has blood and story.

Blood thirsty maniacs get their blood, story dudes get their story.

Everyone's happy
except for communist China

maraxusofk · Jan 20, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Bleach
Death note
GTO (manga only)
hokuto no ken
naruto (manga only)
escaflowne
cowboy bebop
dragon ball z
get backers

Taurucis · Feb 16, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Ok uhh... sorry for the minor thread necromancy, but I didn't really think it would be good to start a whole new anime thread.

I need recommendations for anime.

Is there anything like Magic Knight Rayearth (with some shojo-ai mixed in, if possible)? Or... any other animes that are similar to Strawberry Panic?

If not, I'm looking for a shojo anime that is about romance and tragedy - basically stuff like there's a girl who really loves someone else, but he hates/ignores her.